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ملاقات سرپرست سفارت با مسوول بخش افریقا و آسیای میانه وزارت خارجه نیوزلند

به روز چهار شنبه تاریخ 25 می 2016 عباس فراسو، مستشار و سرپرست سفارت ، در دفتر کارش با آقای استورات هون مسوول بخش افریقا و آسیای میانه وزرات امور خارجه نیوزلند ملاقات کرد. دراین مقالات آقای صالح سکتردوم سفارت افغانستان و خانم جیسکا تورن سکرتر دوم کمیساری عالی نیوزلند در استرالیا نیز حضور داشتند. در جلسه در خصوص موضوعات مورد علاقه دو کشور و پیشرفت ها و دست آوردهای حکوت افغانستان در دو سال اخیر بحث و تبادل نظر صورت گرفت.  

ملاقات سرپرست سفارت با نماینده دایمی وزارت خارجه فیجی

به تاریخ 24 می 2016، عباس فراسو، مستشار و سرپرست سفارت با روبین نایر، معین و نماینده دایمی وزارت خارجه فیجی در امور بین المللی، و آقای یوگاژ پونجی، کمسیار عالی فیجی در استرالیا، در مقر سفارت جمهوری اسلامی افغانستان ملاقات کرد. در این ملاقات بر روابط دو کشور و چشم انداز همکاری های بیشتر بحث و تبادل نظر صورت گرفت. 

Translation of President Mohammad Ashraf Ghani’s Remarks at the Inauguration Ceremony of Afghanistan-India Friendship Dam

Translation of President Mohammad Ashraf Ghani’s Remarks at the Inauguration Ceremony of Afghanistan-India Friendship Dam

 

June 4, 2016

Herat, Afghanistan

 

In the name of Allah, the Merciful, the Compassionate

 

Your Excellency Narendra Modi, Prime Minister of the friendly and esteemed India,

I sincerely welcome you and your accompanying delegation to your second home, Afghanistan, especially in the historic province of Herat; allow me to thank you on behalf of the people of Afghanistan, people of Herat, and residents of Chisht-e-Sharif. I present my profound gratitude to you, to the compassionate people and competent government of India, especially on behalf of my people who will have their homes illuminated by the light of the Afghan-India Friendship Dam and their lands greened with its water. Today, with your help, an old dream of our people is realized after more than 40 years of waiting. Thank you!

Let me send prayers and blessings upon the soul of late President Sardar Mohammad Daud Khan who more than forty years ago laid the foundation for this magnificent dam so that Afghans after him live in prosperity. Let me also send prayers upon the souls of each one of the soldiers, officers and engineers who sacrificed their lives, so that today we stand witness to the completion of this grand project; and I thank all the caring officials whose efforts have born fruit today.

Here, I would like to thank Mr. Mohammad Ismail Khan who, going back to his years serving as the Governor of Herat, entertained this hope as well as Dr. Humayoon Qayomi, Eng. Ali Ahmad Usmani who along with his hardworking colleagues in the Ministry of Energy and Water had a vital role in bringing this project to fruition.

Chisht-e-Sharif has 600-year old ties with Agra and Delhi. The Shrine of Khwaja Nizamudin is still open to peoples of all faiths. Jalaluddin Akbar, Mughal-Azzam, the reformist king of India, had taken inspiration on his ways and customs from the Chishtia Order. It is the necessity of our time that the Chishtia, Naqshbandia, Qadria, Saharwardia and other Urfani schools of thoughts are cared for, so that the peaceful nature of our religion reveals it shining truth, through the dust and fog created by extremists.

Afghanistan and India have long and continued relations and today millions of ties bind our nations together.  Since 10thcentury (lunar Hijri), Herat has been destroyed eight times but each time, it has risen above the ruins, proudly standing before history with unwavering determination. Herat is the cradle of culture, knowledge, wisdom and civilization. Masters like Khwaja Abdullah Ansari, Peer Herat, Khwaja Mohaiodeen Chishti and Khwaja Qutbuddin Mawdud Chishti, the great carriers of knowledge and pioneers of Chishtia order as well as Mawlana Abdul Rahman Jami, the renowned poet and mystic of Naqshebandia Order, Imam Fakhruddin Razi, great prolocutor of Islam, and hundreds of masters of thought and literature have been brought up in the caring lap of this country; they have lived under its cool shade or found comfort in its warm arms.

Herat, with its ancient history and knowledge, art and literature-nurturing people, encapsulates yesterday’s and today’s Afghanistan, showing a broad horizon towards the tomorrow of this country.

Herat has been one of the great centers of Urfan in our history. Urfan and Tassawuf (mysticism) is one of the dozens of broad areas that connect Afghanistan and India. Architectural beauties, artistic creations by creative painters and calligraphers of Herat, Kabul, Balkh and Kabul, in different eras, and their pleasant affinities to the artistic beauties of India, is another sign of inspiration from one spiritual source and illumination by one source of light. The music and melodies by artists of both countries, emitting joy and bliss, are all signs of the coming together of great human talents in an exalted realm where colors turn colorless, separations give way to unions, and differences become similitudes.  

Our relationship with India has various aspects. In the past, our cities had gates named after cities in India. We have a popularly acclaimed style in literature called Hindi.  The prominent face of this style is Abdul Qadir Bedil, the renowned Arif (mystic) and poet of Delhi School, the person whom to this day Afghan poets and scholars look up to as a standard-bearer in poetic style and understanding of high concepts. In politics, our quests for independence and freedom have influenced each other. Also, the first Indian Government in Exile was formed in Afghanistan, and reformist movements of Afghanistan after the 1940s were inspired by the ideals of Mahatma Gandhi and Abdul Kalam Azad.

In the same way as our ancestors strove and managed to fulfill their great missions, despite the difficult times, to keep the torch of knowledge alight, the garden of wisdom watered, the spring of spirituality ebullient, and to pave the path for their offspring to reach high human life, we too have come together today to celebrate an auspicious occasion of cooperation between the two countries, to renew the ancient covenant, to keep this great heritage alive and to eternalize these enduring ties.

The assistance of the people and government of India in constructing this splendid dam in Chisht-e-Sharif restitutes the ancient ties of Herat and India; it also further strengthens today’s ties between our two countries on the level of nations and states.

Therefore, this dam, in addition to its vital function of bringing light, joy and hope to the homes of thousands of Afghans in the area, also has a symbolic role in charting a new course that is the need of the world and region in the twenty first century: (that is) the course of cooperation for prosperity, for better utilization of natural resources, for better protection and preservation of environment, green spaces and water resources, for leaving behind the days of drought and parched lands, and for putting an end to the sufferings of men and women struck by adversity. 

This means that we can partake in spreading hope, light and sincerity, not fear, intimidation and ignorance; I mean, saying goodbye to obsolete policies inherited from the past, especially the cold war era, and opening a new page in history for this region, a page of harmony, compassion and solidarity, a page of peace, reconciliation and toleration.

That is why we are immensely thankful to India for presenting to us a new model whose essence is constructiveness, cooperation and participation in spreading prosperity. It is for this reason that today the name of India in our country and region brings back sweet, historic and cherished memories. The people of Afghanistan see today’s India through the prism of the beautiful and splendid parliament building a meaningful and exquisite gift from the largest democracy of the world to our young democracy. Our people identify India with Delaram-Zaranj highway that is a connecting route for development of businesses and commerce in our parts of the country that had remained deprived of development; and today they know India through Salma, a source of light and joy for thousands of our families. In addition, India has completed over 200 other small and big projects for our people. With scholarships assistance by India, over 17 thousand Afghan youth were able to acquire education that will undeniably help us sustain the friendly relations between our countries. Today, our youth playing cricket look up to Indian Cricketers as standard-bearers. Thank you for your cooperation, Mr. Prime Minister!  Today, India means brilliance, greenery and Nirvana for us.

With the inauguration of Afghan-India Friendship Dam, the first generation of large Indian assisted projects is completed, and the hope is to see at the right moment the launch of the second generation of such large and sustainable projects.

We, the two sides, have a firm conviction and resolve that prosperity and progress of each country means the prosperity and progress of the other. As our past history is shared, we have a shared ‘today’ and will have a shared ‘tomorrow’. We fortunately have a common vision to build this shared future. Terrorism is the major cancer in the region where Afghanistan finds itself on the frontline of fighting it. The need of our region is that we come up with a common definition of terrorism and be on the same page and front to fight it; this is the only way for shared prosperity of our nations.

Afghanistan will not be stopped here. We are determined to move forward in spite of the challenges and difficulties. This determination exists in every single son and daughter of this land. It is for this reason that despite the sacrifices by our brave sons and daughters against terrorism and extremism and the heavy cost of war that we have born, with the passing of each day, we take a new step in the direction of development and prosperity. This means that the resolve of our patient nation does not falter in the face of threats and that the torch of hope that is alight in the hearts of our people does not accept to be put out.

Here, I want to give the good news to my people that ‘Afghanistan-India Friendship Dam’ is the prologue to construction of a series of dams that we have undertaken so that our other provinces too have access to electricity, water, food and work.  We will manage our water and water resources in accordance with the international laws to prevent floods hitting our homes and people. We also want our waters to reach the heart of our draught-hit deserts, which for years carried the autumnal pain of barrenness.

We are conscious of the difficulty of the path, and we know that destroying is easy and building is difficult. Contrary to those whose main art is destroying and sending messages of destruction, we have taken the difficult responsibility of building prosperity, and we resolutely believe that the front of prosperity triumphs over the front of destruction since building is right and destroying is wrong; hope is right and hopelessness is wrong; seeking peace is right and seeking war is wrong, and we all believe that right triumphs over wrong. Our people’s determination to build a better future is steely. We are not alone on this path. We have divine sanction to build our people’s homes; then, we have support of the world and region with us; and we have beside us peace-loving and pro-prosperity countries like India that feels happy with our happiness and sad with our sadness. We too shall be and remain a partner, in warm and cold days, for those who want prosperity.

Long Live Afghanistan-India Friendship

 

Long live the green path of building prosperity and cooperation!

Transcript of Chief Executive Dr. Abdullah Abdullah's Remarks at the Leaders' Segment, World Humanitarian Summit

Transcript of Chief Executive Dr. Abdullah Abdullah's Remarks at the Leaders' Segment, World Humanitarian Summit

23-24 May, 2016 Istanbul, Turkey

 

His Excellency Dr Abdullah Abdullah Remark at WHS

His Excellency, the UN Secretary General

Distinguished members of the Global community

Ladies and Gentlemen!

I would like to congratulate UN Secretary General for his persistent work and vision to convene this timely and unprecedented summit to reaffirm our commitment to humanity.

I am grateful to the government of Turkey for hosting this Summit.

Ladies and Gentlemen

Peace and stability still elusive in the lives of the many people are increasingly affected by extreme poverty, natural hazard, political crises, violent extremism, water scarcity, migration, forced displacement, oppression, prosecution and fear.

The incidences of natural and man-made disasters have also increased, resulting in greater human losses and mass dislocations both within the impacted nation-states and beyond.

Therefore, we have to enhance our unified vision in our globalized world to deliberate on the way humanitarian interventions are planned and aid is delivered to insure sustainable access to basic services which has not been yet realized.

 

Ladies and Gentlemen,

Afghanistan, until recently, was exemplary in terms of suffering and resilience. Our people have suffered for more than three decades from imposed conflicts.

Our brave armed forces and innocent civilians have borne the brunt of it.

Politically we are committed to alleviate human suffering through different plans and strategies both through political reforms and practices of good governance as well as through peace process.

Peace will elude Afghanistan if the region was not to change its political outlook. We are committed to continuing our peace talks through bilateral and multilateral coordination mechanisms.

Reform is the cornerstone of our National Unity Government. It is our main priority and we are committed to affecting it in our political and governance system. We firmly believe that the five core initiative that underpin our Agenda for Humanity today is in compliance with our national vision in Afghanistan as it aims at reducing human suffering and restore dignity and economic opportunities.

We are committed to:

• Further enhance our effective partnership with humanitarian agencies, local community, academics and public actors for planning and delivering on collective conflict prevention and resolution strategies. We are deeply grateful for the hard work and sacrifices of the humanitarian organisations in Afghanistan.

• Supporting cooperation with international community on how to prevent crises and build resilience and manage complex aid relationships.

• Convening periodic, inclusive national dialogue platforms with civil society, youth, women’s groups and other to ensure concerns and disputes are addressed.

We are also committed to:

• Working with the donor community to build a multi-year approach for funding Disasters Risk Reduction priorities.

• Agree with donors on a rapid response funding model so that funds can be pre-positioned for use rather than have to be gathered and allocated once a crisis has happened.

• Taking specific actions to comprehensively reduce risk, vulnerability and fragility as well as integrating refugees and IDPs into our national development plans, in line with the 2030 Agenda for Sustainable Development.

At the end I would like to express my sincere gratitude to all of you for gathering here to respond to this urgent call of the collective conscience.

Thank you very much!

Transcript of H.E. President Mohammad Ashraf Ghani’s Remarks On the Fifth Wave of Political Violence

Transcript of H.E. President Mohammad Ashraf Ghani’s Remarks

 

On the Fifth Wave of Political Violence

 

In RUSI Whitehall, London

 

12 May 2016, 17:00

 

 

In the name of Gods, the Compassionate, the Merciful

 

Lords, Ladies and Gentlemen, Friends,

 

First of all, let my pay tribute to the 454 British servicemen and women who paid the ultimate sacrifice. Let me call upon you to express the deepest gratitude of a grateful nation and a state to their families. Let me also ask you to thank every British veteran who fought with us, who has helped us whether in the military arena or in the civilian.

Britain has been a strategic partner and I am very proud to be here today

 

Tonight, I’d like to speak about the fifth wave of political violence. Our understanding of how global security and peace are shaped depends on how we grasp this. So, my argument will be in five parts. First, what were the previous waves? The first wave can be dated with Nechayev’s manifesto of a revolutionary, the anarchist wave. The anarchist wave roughly lasted forty years engulfed Europe, brought us the First World War and it was a global phenomenon.

 

The second wave is the national liberation movements which again spanned roughly three decades. The third was the wave of terrorism in Europe, Japan and the United States following the 68th Stone movement, and of course in the United States, took the form of the Black Panthers and related movements.

 

The fourth wave started with Sri Lanka that invented the phenomenon of the suicide bomber and traveled across to the Middle East and then to Latin America, etc. Each of these waves shook the foundation of political stability and required distinctive ways of dealing with. What comes out of this is that political violence does not relate or is not owned by a specific culture, religion or geographic space. Any generalization regarding this medium view of history requires careful analysis.

 

What is it that specific about the fifth wave? A number of characteristics jump. First, criminality and political violence have become organically related. Take the cartels in Mexico or the heroin production in Afghanistan; there is an interrelationship and this is fundamental to grasp because there is a distinctive form of violence that is inflicted on the citizens and that results in erosion of state authority.

 

Second, networks that previously used to be face-to-face or in small groups now have become face-to-faceless or face-to-Facebook. It is a distinctive form of mobilization that brings rapid utility of information and orientation of people. Recruitment is extraordinarily effective and replication of cells does not depend on central authority.

 

Thirdly, the space of operation is global whether it is Kabul, Brussels, Paris or London after July or events in the United States. There is an interlinked series of phenomena. The other point about this is probably one of the well-financed movements in history. Related to this, and if we have related it to the previous things, absence of rules of the game between states and state willingness; the willingness of some states to sponsor non-state actors is fundamental initially to its operation. They have posed a threat to state authority but the rapidity of networks puts our inherited bureaucracies and stretches them. Simultaneously, they thrive on weak states. Weak or failing states are the natural harboring phenomena. But the other thing that manifested itself, of course with Daesh and earlier continues with Taliban is attempt at state capture because except for the movements of national liberation that focused on state capture, the other movements were about undermining state authority. Here, there is a very distinctive phenomenon. And, last, and of course needs to be mentioned, is its distinctive affiliation with invoking and hijacking a great religion and a great culture.

 

How do they operate? Counter-insurgency was the rage in early 2000s but the insurgency literature; I would argue and in certain understanding of insurgency, is cumulative and much more incorporative. From Nechayev to Usama Bin Laden, you can draw a straight line and to the current thinkers of Daesh and Al-Qaeda. The degree of knowledge regarding previous counter-insurgency movements is incredibly high. You are not dealing with an enemy that does not know its enemy. But by contrast, we do not understand the phenomena sufficiently. So both in terms of theories and in terms of techniques and practices, there is a great deal of continuity. But simultaneously there is a great deal of innovation. Where the innovation comes is first in techniques of communication. In terms of network theory, you can see all people who have worked on the phenomenon would argue that they’re surprised by the theory of networks. Sometimes four to five stages of network formation have been passed in a single year or two. And, the use of media is fundamental.

 

Why do they attack cities? Why do they attack airlines? Why do they attack public spaces? Because, fundamentally what is under attack is the compact between the citizen and the state. The great achievement of the modern state has been its compact with the citizenry; freedom of movement, freedom of assembly, freedom of worship and democracies, and those values are precisely what are attacked. Fear is what the objective is. Inflicting fear, producing fear in a systematic manner, ensuring that we live narrow lives that affect the bond of trust between citizen and citizen and state and state. You don’t need further evidence; look at previously open borders in Europe and now the number of controls that have been brought in. look at what we take daily in any airport and accept it. What we did not accept under exceptional circumstance, now we willingly accept. And, that is precisely the environment. So here, particularly with Daesh that has refined the technique, infliction of pain for the sake of pain is not the objective; the spectacle of the theater of violence is critical to achieving this objective. They do not kill six-month-old (babies) or 90-year-olds, just for that sake, it is to awe, over populations, to ensure that the reflection of violence can destroy our will.

 

Now in terms of, if I am correct about the description of this, then we need a right understanding and action at four levels; global, regional, Islamic and national levels. Why do we need global understanding? Because if the threat is medium-term, then we need to muster the right time horizon and the right alignment. Our understanding has been reactive, not proactive, because of that, our actions at the global level have been sporadic rather than sustained. Sustained understanding requires different time horizons and the global politics is not oriented towards medium time horizons, but this phenomenon like the other threats to global peace and security requires a medium-term understanding.

 

Second, some regions of the world are a lot more exposed than others; my country being one of those. Who fights in my country? First,…. you know I was in Ufa in Russia when President Putin was hosting both the BRIC Summit and the Shanghai meeting and there was talk as if Afghanistan was not in the room. So, I posed the question and said, ‘Who fights in my country?’ Chinese, ATIM, Chechens, Uzbeks from Uzbekistan, Tajiks from Tajikistan even the odd Kirgiz and Kazakh, but the greatest one of course is a huge movement from Pakistan. Then, of course there are all the rejects of the Arab world that are sent on to us. Can anyone point out an historical precedent or a political framework where people who do not belong to a nation and do not have a quarrel internally in terms of rules of the game that have such heavy presence? And the impact of this, of course, is global because the activities that they engage in threaten all of us. Here, my plea is development of common understanding, I am not saying to take a national perspective, but take a neutral international perspective because it is imperative that we understand the phenomenon. If we don’t understand the phenomenon properly, how can we devise the appropriate means for dealing with them?

 

But unlike, I was in the Munich Security Conference when I coined the term ‘fifth wave’ and there, there was a feeling of doom. But let me again acknowledge that as far as Afghanistan is concerned, NATO is alive and well, and their alliance is delivering.  There is no combat role for NATO in Afghanistan but our armed forces have fully fulfilled the departure of 135,000 NATO-ISAF troops and the accompanying 600,000 contractors. This needs to be appreciated in terms of the context, but it also needs to be appreciated that, if I am right about the phenomenon, then our partnership needs to have medium and long term horizons and of course the foundation of that is in place, and I’d like to thank President Obama, Prime Minister Cameron, Chancellor Merkel, European leaders, Prime Minister Renzi and others for staying with us. Last year, we were operating with nine months as our horizon. And it took enormous political courage by these leaders to make the argument that it was worth staying with us and I hope that our people’s sacrifice, the great sacrifice that our armed forces and our people have done shows that our partnership is indeed enduring one.

 

Second one is at the regional level. The region of course is a concept; it is not a geography; but here we have a fundamental problem; in the South, Central Asia, West Asia region, what is fundamentally missing are rules of the game defining a system like the Westphalian state. States in this part of the world unfortunately feel inclined to both sponsor malign non-state actors and even to use some of their own organizations behaving as malign actors. This is a fundamentally lose-lose proposition. Anyone who believes that terrorism can be classified as good or bad needs to rethink the fundamental assumptions because within that if the other waves are indicators, the extent of suffering needs to be appreciated. There is a fantastic book called Asleep Walkers about World War 1, and it shows what state sponsorship of terrorist activity by Serbia did to the whole world. One needs to be reminded to act on lessons of history and not just mention them.

 

The third level is Islamic. Because the phenomenon is being put in terms of abuse of the fundamental understanding in history of this great culture and civilization to which I am proud to belong, we need to speak back and regain the narrative. Important step was taken last year in 2015 in Makkah where declaration on definition of terrorism and the weaknesses of the Islamic World were described; acting on those and making sure that the narrative is not left to a tiny tiny minority, I think, becomes fundamental to the dialogue and understanding of civilizations and the integrated global world that we live.

 

The other level is national.  But the national level of course is embedded in these others. Here, what is fundamental is national ownership. We are proud not to be engaging in blame games but to own our problems. What are some of those? If you take the poverty line to be $2 a day, 70% of our population is below that line. If you take it to be $1.25, 39% of our population is below that line. Corruption is not a symptom; corruption is an enabler for terror, for political violence, because what is critical in the struggle against corruption and has been proved in time and again is effectiveness of the state but not an authoritarian state. You have to have a citizen-focused state. Our discussion is many folded. The two young men who were here are actually protesting about a transmission line. I am actually very proud of them because in the midst of a war for survival, we still take debates on infrastructure extraordinarily seriously. I thanked them the other day when I was leaving for engaging in a discussion on infrastructure. The decisions on the project were made in 2013, a decision was made to pass the transmission line through the Salang pass rather than Bamiyan valley. It was the wrong decision at the time but meanwhile three years of work have gone to prepare the Salang pass. Six million people will benefit from this transmission line compared to 100,000 from the alternative; but you have to take young men seriously and I appreciate their anger because if you don’t have the tolerance for people’s legitimate anger, you cannot guide a state or guide the destiny of a nation.

 

We have inherited many things but corruption is probably the most significant. This is a national shame as is our mortality, the mortality rate of our women. We have halved the mortality rate of women but it is still one of the highest in the world.

 

What is our tragedy? Our tragedy is that we are potentially one of the richest countries in the region and yet inhabited by extraordinarily poor people. This means that corruption needs to be rephrased, not as abuse of public office for private gain but as forms of capture.

 

There are four forms of capture that are fundamental to the challenge that we face. First is the capture of institutions; patronage, bribery is made a mockery of formal institutions. Second is economic capture; over 500,000 acres of land alone, public land, have been seized by small number of individuals. Public assets have been disposed of as though there were no tomorrow. The third form of capture is capture of security; monopoly, legitimate monopoly of force that is key characteristic of the state has not been accomplished because there are many groups and individuals that continue to use the threat of force to deprive others, to prevent them from a dialogue; because of that skins are thin. And the fourth form of capture is political capture; politics becomes a zero sum game of competing claims without the arbitration. In this kind of situation, what is really important now is to think back. If effective states are key to enabling us in global, regional and Islamic level cooperation is central to overcoming this phenomena, then we need to agree on horizons and strategies required to overcome the threats posed by the fifth wave. In terms of time horizon, we cannot operate on a yearly basis, we cannot operate in a reactive basis; we cannot be letting narrative be controlled by their actions. It requires a steady focus and the will to master this threat as previously threats like Nazism, Fascism, other forms that have come have been mustered. In terms of strategies, what is critical is to understand that this is going to be a constantly changing phenomenon. It is not a constant, it is strategic situation. A strategic situation means that there is a large degree of in-built uncertainty into the situation. It is going to constantly morph into other thing and that morphing requires that we both focus on the visible and on the invisible. Daesh has taken all the oxygen. What keeps me awake still is what is Al-Qaeda up to. Is it gone down dark in deep? Is it preparing another surprise? Which is going to be the more enduring phenomenon. What is visible or the dog that did not bark. My English education I hope is paying. And strategies cannot be in terms of static objectives or terrain that is constant. This is going to be a constantly shifting set of phenomena, relationships and therefore we need to have flexibility. That is a challenge to our institutional architecture. Being plodding, being slow, being deliberate has served us well in periods of great global stability. Now it requires fundamental rethinking about how global and regional organizations will work, how our relationships are defined.

 

One thing is certain. Our fates are interrelated. There are no walls, great or small, that can separate us, so what is required is joining hands, being able to forge those partnerships that can enable us to change lives fundamentally, to ensure that stability is off the order in which participation becomes deeply embedded, where hope is renewed and where trust at all these four levels is re-established. Thank you for giving me the opportunity. I will be delighted to engage you in some discussion.